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Repsaj wrote:So everyone has to play the game like you see the way it has to be played? They have to fight you on a map they may not even know that well and even fight with the weapons you would like them to see using? And only because you revoke to play with other weapons? As you are saying you are taking cheapshots at them, isn't that the best feeling you get? Just like I said before, I think it's more enjoyable beating an opponent who is using different weapons than 1 that is using the same. It brings alot more "tactics", "strategy" and skill into the game.

yepp and the should give me the adress to their home so I can take a shit in their sofa to.

learn to read mate.

Nozaki wrote: why get so angry? did u miss something today? anyways... why dont I really learn to play? well my little friend, I've played this game for 8 years, and I've had my share of winning... i frankly dont care about that at ALL anymore(though its still fun to win(missunderstand me right now)). what i like is to have back more of the good old diversity...

yeah okay.. i kinda just tossed them(rhstat and s1) in since they vere mentioned ;p but yeah, the house in rhstation is a nice place for a m3-player or hc, and even knifes.. but if you keep to the house, u know what u will get..? whining and a clan that do whatever they do to ruine your map(and that u can get by just doing this a couple of times too)
sludge i kinda like sometimes with my m3 and nades.. (and that is another thing.. why the hell isnt there nades on any other servers then CG and SolideMirage??)

I got angry about the same threads/posts over and over and something that was leftover from monday I guess.

Yes, I agree here with you that people will whine if you stay in the house on rhstation and the same happens on sludge1 when people staying down. (Hi e) But hey that's their problem, if they can't handle their own map (every aspect of the game!) they don't deserve to win. If they then decide to do the same on your map just read what i wrote above. If you can't handle campers on your map, maybe you should consider taking another map.

BTW: This does not mean I approve of camping

About the grens on most fin servers u need rcon to play, so u can turn it on manually (else u'll have to ask it, not everyone sees this as a standard option)

Nozaki wrote: and that is kinda the thing too...trought the years I've played since aq2 came out.. playing styles have changed... before it was few ppl using the m4, mostly cuz ppl could not handle it. ofc seeing ppl getting good with some weapon is ofc great, now we even see some good knifers(and not just the lucky one hit wonders). And that is actually what i dont like... when everyone start using m4 att all times(i know that not EVERYONE do this ffs, but it is atrend), the diversity in the game disappears, and thus, the fun disappears...
There have ben some tryes of changing this trend(Blue Vex's try to make a new client, the SolidMirage server), but in general this is not something that is taken by ease from ppl that use only m4.. wich is understandable...

Also this I understand completely, but it's called progress (I am not saying this is either good or bad) and you can't stop it. Learn how to deal with it or leave, that's what I have to say about it. You can't force people to play the way you would like them to (except for a tournament/cup or setting up rules pre-match).

Nozaki wrote: HiRr... clearly u did not get that one...

Apperently I didn't, mind clearing that one up for me?

BadWerdz wrote:yepp and the should give me the adress to their home so I can take a shit in their sofa to.

learn to read mate.

I think I did, but if i misunderstood anything please try to clearify this, like Nozaki, and not only "insulting" me.

Nozaki wrote: and that is kinda the thing too...trought the years I've played since aq2 came out.. playing styles have changed... before it was few ppl using the m4, mostly cuz ppl could not handle it. ofc seeing ppl getting good with some weapon is ofc great, now we even see some good knifers(and not just the lucky one hit wonders). And that is actually what i dont like... when everyone start using m4 att all times(i know that not EVERYONE do this ffs, but it is atrend), the diversity in the game disappears, and thus, the fun disappears...

You said it yourself in another thread. "thats just the way the wind blows... you just cant make it turn"

Repsaj wrote: think I did, but if i misunderstood anything please try to clearify this, like Nozaki, and not only "insulting" me.

okey just for the fun of it, I will

BadWerdz wrote:To take an example, we have teamdepo as our homemap. and we love fighting on it, there is nothing more fun that sneaking around with m3 or hc or something like that inside the house and suddenly make a rush out one of the windows and wreak havoc on the other team. there is two types of clans we have faced on that map, thoose with pride and thoose who want's to win. the clans with pride clash against us in furious fights all over the map with a wide range of weapons, and all respect to those clans, Love to play against you guys. And then there are the winners, it takes them two rounds to understand that having a sniper in spawn, staying in the open areas with m4 will win you alot of rounds. Those cws seems to take forever, sometimes they even have the stomach to call us campers since we takes our time, taking cheap shots against them instead of rushing their defensive position.

Is an practical example about what I, as a single person finds boring and how I feel when a clan takes the easy options and plays in a way, I still as a single humanbeing, finds boring.

it dosen't mean I think other peoples ways are wrong. and as I stated in the beginning of my post:

BadWerdz wrote:I'm not writing this to change the way you guys play, I'm writing it to explain why and how I play, so the understanding in the scene can atleast become a little better.

when I play a game I want everyone to have fun, so if I tell everyone how I, and most members of vfn like to play, just maybe, MAYBE, someone will think about it next time they play a battle against us. just like we don't use our most hardcore m4-haters when we play a clan who we know have a new-school way of playing you see our clan is realdivided, we have our winners who play to win, and we have our players who play for fun.

we played like 70% of our cws against [balle] and a couple of weeks ago we played them the days after each other. The first day me, nozaki and two of our other members played them, we had great fun, goofed of alot, think it ended with us playing 6 maps or something like that.

the day after [balle] challenged us again for a rematch, but this time we who play for fun wasen't online and some of our more competative players who usally dosen't like our "for-fun-only" cws answered the call, they used 2 m4, 1 m3 and 1 ssg. after a couple of rounds the cw was cancelled and one of our closest friends from balle left our channel claiming we sold out and where a bunch of lamers who allowed gameplay like that. in other hand our players didn't get what the fuck they where talking about, they hadn't camped and they weren't playing in a lame way. they just played to win, that's all.

It took a while to settle everything but in the end it stod clear that people really play for diffrent reasons, one way isn't better than the other but they do tend to clash alot if people don't know what the other people playing want to get out of the game.

so I repeat myself:

BadWerdz wrote:I'm not writing this to change the way you guys play, I'm writing it to explain why and how I play, so the understanding in the scene can atleast become a little better.

I hope I made a little bit more sence now and that I didn't insult anyone.

Gepardi wrote:

Nozaki wrote: and that is kinda the thing too...trought the years I've played since aq2 came out.. playing styles have changed... before it was few ppl using the m4, mostly cuz ppl could not handle it. ofc seeing ppl getting good with some weapon is ofc great, now we even see some good knifers(and not just the lucky one hit wonders). And that is actually what i dont like... when everyone start using m4 att all times(i know that not EVERYONE do this ffs, but it is atrend), the diversity in the game disappears, and thus, the fun disappears...

You said it yourself in another thread. "thats just the way the wind blows... you just cant make it turn"

the question is what we are gonna do about it?

BadWerdz wrote:stuff

Yes, you did and it is quite clear to me now what you meant. And I think u totally said it differently than in your first post, but hey that's maybe just me.

Though the story you told bout the games vs balle were quite disturbing.... Looks like winning and playing for fun can't be combined very well there.

Repsaj wrote:

BadWerdz wrote:stuff

Yes, you did and it is quite clear to me now what you meant. And I think u totally said it differently than in your first post, but hey that's maybe just me.

Though the story you told bout the games vs balle were quite disturbing.... Looks like winning and playing for fun can't be combined very well there.

hmm well I don't agree with you, but I'm glad I got myself understood now

Hmm did I say anything about who won each of the games? :S

check my first post:

BadWerdz wrote:Playing for fun dosen't mean we play to loose, we throw a party and drink ourself silly and brag about every win we have and we will taunt you and remind you about it untill you grow old and grey. It's just that we know how to take a loose and can enjoy a good fought game anyways.

I don't know why this scene has gotten the idea that playing for fun means you can't win or that your aiming to loose. It's not like i drop my gear and run around with slahing mode everytime I feel like we are playing to good. I enjoy winning when I'm having fun. Fighting a boring cw and winning is still boring

that's all I'm saying

haha word.. too much text. read some then i just started scrolling down

yes kribba word B< btw nozaki your quote about me really made me cry irl enough i wont read this forum again ever so you dont need to answer me kkthxbye

dont care

IBA wrote:dont care

You seem oto care enough to reply u mummel!

Flyer wrote:yes kribba word B< btw nozaki your quote about me really made me cry irl enough i wont read this forum again ever so you dont need to answer me kkthxbye

pusshej

There used to be a time where people didn't care how much ping they had, where they played, what maps people chose, how they played etc. Why people care more now, I still don't know - seems that this game is going out of hand for most people which is a shame really. All-round competitive behavior has risen out of the roof these days in an unsportive way.

-Back in the days- you had to actually plan a clanwar a week before time, so my advice is, if you want a cw but a clan doesn't want to play versus you because you make silly demands - then just wait your turn and/or play something or someone else. People are trying way too damn hard to keep this game alive and for what cause? All I see is that the whining and nagging and mocking and all that other shit is expanding in a ridiculous rapid rate by kiddies and other 'celebrities' who crave for more and more attention without really finding solutions to what has to be done. The thing is, there's no solution to your virtual sorrows and pains if people aren't willing to coöperate on a fair level anymore.

Winning is everything, playing comfortable is everything for everyone. People are spoiled with nice cool fluent & smooth games on their high-tech sweet asskicking computer systems. And then we have ActionQuake2, a game that is almost 10 years old already, I mean, amagawd! the HORROR if you suffer playing with higher ping or a bit of pl! And even if you try to make your point in that you really can't play with the pl and prefer a different server, will most people listen to you? Of course not, because the server they picked is good for them. Why bother to go to a different server! That's a waste of time! It could actually mean that you have to wait for a period of time in which you could've played two clanwars already! Ugh, that's just... too.. horrible.. because time is indeed precious on the internet, you want to be entertained by playing a game you like to do, but if things aren't going the way you're used to, then bam: Catastrophy all over.

Haudrauf would say: "Get a life."

It's hard though to tell the difference, since playing aq2 is life for some, maybe most, people. If life doesn't go your way, you become depressed, you maybe commit suicide. But behind the computer, you can just throw with a mouse, smash down your keyboard a couple of times.. or even worse... turn off your computer!!! Which of course, causes another scar to add to your virtual collection. A MAH GAWD... mean internet people.

Ignore or avoid people who make unlogical demands for an ancient game, since there are enough clans that are willing to make fair 'exchanges' I think.. You just have to find them and not become frustrated by clans & people who try to piss you off, intentionally or not.

Enjoy the game.

Man.. thats deep

... who even bother reading all thhis?