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I didnt have the priviliges to stand up for myself on this 'other' thread as it was locked, but ...



Now something about obby.pak, for ppl who dont know what obby.pak is, its a pak full of cheats for clan RaP3, an old skool uk clan.



Sorry but clearly the ponce that wrote this obviously took this a little far. I can't vouch for this myself - you'd see me as being bias. I can say that I know that all the clan members I've met and played at a lan dont cheat. I hardly think C&C would consider even recruiting half of rap3 if they thought they did. All you can really say is that regardless - if someone shows talent and beats you, your pride takes a hit. Unfortunately this misleads people into making up excuses, such as this, which aim at taking people down.



Unfortunately this is the case.. accept that you were beaten, not because of cheats, not because of lag or any other crap you can come up with.



I dont believe in cheating myself, I dont feel the need to cheat. If anyone wants to come forward and challenge that statement.. feel free. I know that every member who could and still can will upload their action quake directory or whatever.. to prove that they dont cheat. I'm guessing this isn't enough for some people. Just bare in mind that next time you read shallow accusations like this, that without any solid proof, you can't say that someones cheating - neither can you prove that they aren't.



Get the evidence first.. 'rape' did not use your so called 'obby.pak.' I'm seeing the person that quoted this opped in C&C. You've just implied that me, being a former member of rape.. that I cheat. I'm sorry but I refuse to play in a clan that thinks I cheat. I like to feel that over the past (what, 5 years ish?) that I've played AQ, that I've gained at least an ounce of respect from players to think that these stupid accusations would have stopped. But no, rather than giving credit to players that have some talent, people like this person would give them shit and again, use such crappy hollow accusations.



I still cant believe this still goes on, even now .. at least 3 years after we've finished playing? Anyway, that's my view. Feel free to comment.

hehe sorry i apologize stim ill change the bit about obby.pak.. and cheating well kur and me played the 2on2 vs mo0trix and some other guy and i know for 100% sure that they were cheating.. i even made a movie of it. i like neil and hes v good, but he was clearly cheating at that time. We never have any problems with accepting that we got beaten by other ppl, but the other team just need to play fair.

and for obby.pak ... i dont even know if it exists, its prolly some made up story

good post stim.

m00trix is really skilled in whining about cheating whitout having evidence

so are a lot of people

obbypak exists



atleast 3-4 guys were repeaditly caught for cheating

if those guys are all in the same clan its up too the clan if they kick the players or decide to get a bad clan reputation



stim is saying that we made up' obby pak cuz we got beaten by rape players but in fact its the other way around.

If u read topic u will see m00trix talking trash about s4p cuz we kicked his ass easily.



In the netherlands we have a saying de pot verwijst de ketel dat ie zwart ziet



nuff said

nah he diddnt say that... he said he diddnt use it

nobody said he did.



its just that m00trix been caught cheating before and his lover obby even made a cheating pak.



i dun see the name stiml0r in there

could be me tho.

ah got some more nice things mootrix said about me without having any evidence that i wasnt clean.



Novice: amazingly accurate despite his vest, yes kayzah or anthony or over or overlord u dont cheat do u.



Novice: biggest piece of cheating shit ever



s4p.Anthony: hahaha



novice = mootrix as u might have guessed, couldn't help it but i just had to laugh about it.

Well the point is there were things said about C&C and Rape and only one/two guys were actually named namely: m00trix and Obby. There's also a saying for that in the netherlands: Alles over 1 kam scheren. (I could be wrong bout the saying tho )

Arent you clever talking dutch and all. You also talk bollocks.



Well tell you what, let's speak in the same language for just a few moments.



People were caught cheating repeatedly? ok well obviously we've got a lot from that, a few names wouldnt go out of the window here... lets start naming people..



"stim is saying that we made up' obby pak cuz we got beaten by rape players but in fact its the other way around.

If u read topic u will see m00trix talking trash about s4p cuz we kicked his ass easily. "



Good for you. s4p never once beat rape... we're talking about rape here, at least... I was unless you moved the conversation on. Personally I couldnt care less, but I can vouch for all the clan members I've met, including obby that they dont cheat. Accusations such as this, (3 years on?) clearly indicate the bitterness that they've left behind.. why the fuck would you want to carry this on I wonder? to reclaim some of that lost dignity? anyway, let other people decide. It's not your right to go round preaching that we cheated those 3 years ago, and obviously you decide to carry on, what are you trying to prove?



"ah got some more nice things mootrix said about me without having any evidence that i wasnt clean.



Novice: amazingly accurate despite his vest, yes kayzah or anthony or over or overlord u dont cheat do u.



Novice: biggest piece of cheating shit ever



s4p.Anthony: hahaha



novice = mootrix as u might have guessed, couldn't help it but i just had to laugh about it."



hohoho, this really doesnt help your argument. If you're out to call him a cheat, dont insult him by calling him a novice aswell. This really just shows the true reason as to why you're making this post.



Yeah ok name one person that hasnt accused another of cheating. I've done it myself, I admit. But then I realised, hey, whats the point? Think about it. We play games, we can either lose or win. If you go back to my last argument, I said that without having any evidence, you couldnt accuse anyone really. But yeah, why would you bother accusing anyone? Think about it.... you're not out to better yourself at the end of the argument, you're out to put someone down.



"Well the point is there were things said about C&C and Rape and only one/two guys were actually named. " <--- on the accounts of accusing me cheating.



Lets go back to the original post....



Last edited by Den on Thu Jul 31, 2003 4:15 pm; edited 1 time in total



Well fuck me. The post no longer contains that accusation so I dont really have an argument. The post said, that obby.pak was a pak file used by clan rape which contained blah blah blah... so yes, someone did say I cheated, as I, being a former member of rape.. am included.



I dont see any evidence supporting that either of the two you accuse, (i.e. obby and matrix) cheated.. so just drop it.



To me this post seems like a failed attempt at getting back at clan rape because we won a fair few matches. This is the only problem with this game, half of the players are twats and can't take losing.



All you need to realise, is that, if you dont cheat, you dont cheat... so dont make a fuss about it. At the end of the day - if the opponents cheating, then in reality, they are the people that are losing. If you're having to go out of your way to post crap like this, then obviously - whoever it is, they're getting to you.



Get on with your fucking games, and spend less time whining. A game is, after all... for fun - this is why you should be playing.

what a surprise, a forum run by a fuck load of cheating dutch wankers trying to bad mouth ME as a cheater? fucking LOL to that.



first off, DaNi, Den, Overlord....when have you ever TRUELY seen me cheat? DaNi you said it's been proved? wheres the fucking proof then? show me some proof of me cheating and i'll accept some lamer was using my nick during but i seriously doubt it, especially in the game where me and obby won the 2v2 tourney. I obviously can't speak for obby as i dont know the guy in real life nor speak to him anymore but i know for a FACT I was playing legit and can honestly say i've never cheated under any of my real aq2 names (M@trix, mo0trix!, Alizee, IRON).



I can't deny wallhacking 3 or 4 times back when fury was up, but those times i always made it blatant i was cheating and never used my real name anyway, so that doesn't count for nothing infact those times cheating really didn't help my real game, learning peoples movements, habits, etc.



It amuses me so much that i have Anduril (or whatever the fuck that name is) and overlord calling me a cheat......2 of the dodgiest players in european action quake 2, always ask me for proof overlord of your cheating... why do I need proof? i can spot a cheater a mile off, i did it with Impakt, Imperial...the rest of the lamers.



I don't cheat, Stim certainly don't cheat (although hes a camping twat on TJ).



Believe what you want to believe, i'll always be updating my nocheat as soon as it comes out SAFE IN THE KNOWLEDGE I WILL NEVER BE KICKED FROM A SERVER BECAUSE OF IT.



Eat shit, die, etc....you're all lame fucks so go smoke weed, the only past time in ur native country, cunts.

oh well im glad we sorted this on irc neil