discussion about pings

Post by **mirror** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 7:15 am

hi all

yesterday i had a nice discussion about pings. the facts:

2 clans, one clanwar, 1 server each..

first server: ping 20 for clan 1, ping 60 or 70 for clan 2

second server: ping 40 for clan 1, ping 40 for clan 2

now there are two arguments.

clan1 sez: its fair, cause you are used to your ping on your server and we are used to our ping on our server. in the end both of us had a map on the server where we are used to play. doenst change a thing if we had less ping in the end. ping 40 for us is like ping 70 for you.

clan2 sez: the first server is unfair. playing with 60-70 against ping 20 is no real match, the ping decides too much. if we would have pld 2x the server where pings are equal, the match would have been fair. being "used" to a ping isnt an argument. sure, we are used to our server, but we can also play on servers where our pings is higher. equal pings is all we want. it's also a question of skill if a player can play with different pings, not just with his homeserverping.

so, what you think about it? which one seems more logical to you?

Flunx · Post by **Flunx** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:30 am

Ping is just a number. Timing is everything.

Okay, I'll be serious.

Clan2 has the most logical argument. Only fools will say other wise

You can hardly feel the difference between 20 and 40 ping. But 20 and 70 is very noticeable.

The match will be most fair and fun when both clans have equal ping.

Post by **Den** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:56 am

Equal pings is best thing

but impossible.

Being "used" to a ping isnt an argument. i agree. it isnt that hard to get used to a higher ping (20 -> 40). Any1 who says that is just scared to get pwned

. Pings higher than +100 are a hard to get used too

Personally, i dont mind playing ppl with ping 20 aslong as the match is fair played (sportive).

Post by **dudemcpek** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:23 am

Yea clan2 is right... That's just bullshit what clan1 said.

And I also think playing cws on server where ping is ~20 for one clan and more than 60 for other clan really stupid, specially if round wins count... Just not fair.

grover · Post by **grover** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:00 pm

I agree with team 2 aswell.

A ping from 20 -> 40 isn't really different or hard to adjust your timing, it's really the framerate that matters. When it's 20 -> 70, it's a different story, you really notice the difference and need to get used to that.

It would be fair to play on team 2's server.

Sulfate · Post by **Sulfate** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:32 am

agree with team 2 to...being used on a ping isnt a good reason...

also.. i`m thinking that 20 > 40 ping... doesn matter...

if the difference is more then 50 ...i think its harder...

iam usually play with 150 / 160 on Jolt or boomtown...

if iam playing on Edome / pelitutka i got 200 / 210...

i really feel the difference then....but its not much..

so i think you need 2 play a CW with the same ping ... so both teams got a little high ping...

but thats my personal thoughts...

Jazzie · Post by **Jazzie** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:26 am

I thought we had just had this ten page dicsussion..

Nobody wishes to play with bad ping. period.

Then I guess it's up to everyone to decide how much of it they are able to sacrifice for a cw.

Post by **mirror** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:35 pm

omg, another "oh no i dont want to discuss cause discussions are lame" guy

i was just interested in the answer. cause i didnt know the answer myself. now i know it.

this discussion is also important for the new esl season for example, will there be any rule about pings? cause there are really some teams out there you cant agree on a fair server with. standartrule 1map each isnt that fair either. i'd prefer a rule which is like "match has to be on a server with most equal pings" or sth like that. what you mean?

Kurupt · Post by **Kurupt** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:36 pm

Ehh I actually agree with clan 1. I just can't see how playing both maps on the homeserver of one clan is more "fair" then playing on one server each. And I do think you get used to your ping... When you play with ping 40 for years it's impossible to adapt to ping 60 (according to you guys right?), but when you play with ping 20 for some years and then the ping then raises with 100% it should be np? I doubt it... And besides, the "it's also a question of skill if a player can play with different pings, not just with his homeserverping" really counts for both clans then...

Don't get me wrong, I would love to play some Finnish clans on Boomtown only, since they got the same ping there as my clan (or even better, hi UNi

), but I doubt I would feel proud IF I won cuz of that. Playing with only your own (good) conditions is just as lame tbh...

But I guess I agree with Jazzie here. Just play by the rules of your opponent, and if you don't like 'm just don't play them at all.

Jazzie · Post by **Jazzie** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:28 am

But I guess I agree with Jazzie here.

Weeeee \o/

sHoRTie · Post by **sHoRTie** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:59 am

well i think i can say i know how pingdifferences effect gameplay and how hard it is to adapt your gameplay to the ping:

played along with 56k modem ping from 100(2 hops

) to 180

then a year ago i started of with adsl with interleaving on -> ping 70-80

then upgrade up and download -> ping 50-60

2 weeks later i got interleaving of: ping 25

and the differences are extrem, u all know that. but i had allways to get used to that ping and played several days really shitty because i needed to learn again how far i had to aim infront of the enemy especially with the sniper but also m4 and mp5 are different to play.

You even have to change the way you are used to play the game if the ping changes.

And if one is trained alot with his own ping he can outmatch people that have a badder ping then that they are used to. just because they need to get used to the ping. Of course it seems to look unfair if one team has an average ping of ~20 and the other of ~65. but hey thats life and its also unfair to play 2 maps with even av. pings when they other team isnt used to it.

my to ?o.o2

Post by **mirror** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:21 pm

yeh kurupt, you got a point.

so the conclusion is like there IS no fair server-handling? it kinda looks like that :/ or is it just your own prob when your isp is more shitty? so 70-20 is okay? uhm. i hope aq2 will go on till 2010, maybe everyone has fiber optics until then.. and maybe there will finally fair competition?

Kurupt · Post by **Kurupt** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:07 pm

neutral server

Jazzie · Post by **Jazzie** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:02 am

there IS no fair server-handling?

Taataaaaa!

Bingo mirror.

Stim · Post by **Stim** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:29 am

On the other hand, if both clans are european you could always make them play on australian/american servers.

Both clans play shite, problem solved.