FRKQ2-buster

As0K · Post by **As0K** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:58 am

If you connect to a server with NoCheat it take about 1 second before it will display the nocheatsay right?
If you connect with FRKQ2 it says the code exactly when you enter the game... can this be a way to bust cheaters? B<
I noticed this on a cw 1 week ago. I have recorded a demo as an example too...

what do you think about this?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:28 am

well he is correct it seems, nocheat does some yadda yadda and gets a proper code, which seem to take longer than frkq2s fake reply that seems to do this in a faster way

emu · Post by **emu** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:40 am

you wont see a finnish player replay to this. They are all looking for a replacement now

NRGizeR · Post by **NRGizeR** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:49 am

emu wrote:you wont see a finnish player replay to this.

I sure hope so. Meaning that no-one even bothers waste their time and energy arguing with you...

Post by **MarlPoro** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:57 am

emu wrote:you wont see a finnish player replay to this. They are all looking for a replacement now :sleep:

Yeah I'm looking someone to replace you. Hope some admin removes your account soon :P (somebody wants to start the pointless .fi vs .se flaming again, eh?)

If you suspect a FRKQ2, use that 'rcon sv stuffcmd all riconnect'. Well that's a good info to know anyway.

birdie · Post by **birdie** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:05 am

rcon sv stuffcmd all !gl_driver works well too.

As0K · Post by **As0K** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:17 am

MarlPoro: i did that on my self with rcon aswell and nothing happend... guess thats for old versions then..

birdie: are you sure that works for the newer versions aswell? dont know if i tested with the newest though but im sure there are versions that dont fail on !gl_driver what ever that do B> or atleast there will be.

oh btw. i will get warned or banned now when i said i have downloaded frkq2 or? i guess i will..

Post by **Den** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:26 am

oh btw. i will get warned or banned now when i said i have downloaded frkq2 or? i guess i will..

plz stop provoking, no you wont.

Diivil · Post by **Diivil** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:52 am

I just hope no one gets called a cheater by just this alone.. I have seen people speaking on the server though they still haven't even connected according to the scoreboard (and the message). Lagging, among other things, might have an effect on the message delay etc. Just so you all know :]

Blue Vex · Post by **Blue Vex** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:51 pm

Seems like a valid reason. Call people cheaters because of this. :) If you lagg, you will not be seen as a cheater because the message will be displayed after a period of time, and that means you're not using frkq2. But noone laggs anyway, so just don't bother making this a problem because of lagg issues.

alekchi · Post by **alekchi** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:48 pm

I was this problem called "anti-lag" because I waxed my computer and its really fast now. I even ordered a TNT-monitor from Russia. So if I seem to cheat, I dont.

As0K · Post by **As0K** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:41 am

Doesnt matter if you have good computer or not. And as blue vex said not many lags that much anymore.
It's still difference between saytime from FRKQ2 and all other Nocheat no matter your ping is 10 or 100.
And Diivil if that was an excuse for you and your players its not good enough. If anyone see it from any of you its not lag because you all have good ping and connections B<
I dont get surprised if you all changed to Apr quake next time we play.
So it should'nt say the nc-code to fast... lol

Should be fun to see.
Watch your back

Diivil · Post by **Diivil** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:19 am

As0K wrote:Doesnt matter if you have good computer or not. And as blue vex said not many lags that much anymore.
It's still difference between saytime from FRKQ2 and all other Nocheat no matter your ping is 10 or 100.
And Diivil if that was an excuse for you and your players its not good enough. If anyone see it from any of you its not lag because you all have good ping and connections B<
I dont get surprised if you all changed to Apr quake next time we play.
So it should'nt say the nc-code to fast... lol Should be fun to see.
Watch your back

Heh.. I'm not making excuses for myself or anyone specific. I'm just telling you that a single line that may or may not come after a certain ammount of time after you connect would prove someone cheating MIGHT fail at some points. The difference is .. what ? 1 ? Max 2 seconds? (I don't know. I have only busted a cheater once with rcon sv stuffcmd all riconnect and then I didn't pay any attention when he connected to the server). If we were to cheat with any client that fakes the line, wouldn't you think we would just make it say nothing and say we use normal q2 client (that actually Late uses because he doesn't need any fancy fps counters, clocks or chathuds).

Lag always occurs. No matter how fast connection you have. But if someone's client gives the message MANY times like it shouldn't be given, then maybe I'd accept it myself. But one time .. That's just overreacting IMO.

Da^JuaN · Post by **Da^JuaN** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:26 am

But, nc 2.34 reports directly and nc 2.40 reports a bit later than 2.34 did, at least thats what was in the readme/changed.txt of 2.40. So if 2.40 reports together with 2.34 it can be frkq2, but you cant be 100% sure if it happens with 2.34, if im correct

Post by **Clown** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:16 am

I don't know about any of you, but I haven't done !nocheatsay on public or in a match for a very long time.