"New" rules & fresh thinking.

Lurre · Post by **Lurre** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:52 pm

Is it only me, or is aq2 getting back to what it used to be?

2 teams with one map of their choice and gaming for an hour and its a result in rounds. I mean for some time I thought that aq2 could be something to develop (like most of the other online games). For instance NAQL, which was a great tournament with some "fresh thinking", new counting system with percentage and mapwins... and playing 4maps 15minutes each was a brilliant idea imo.

why not go for 4 maps in ordinary cws and count mapwins? OR why not use a random map system to get the maps to be played.. let all the maps in aq2suomi be in a random roll or something?

Worth thinking of?
Piece of crap?
Come with suggestions!

sajh · Post by **sajh** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:54 pm

2x20 ftw

Caracol · Post by **Caracol** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:03 pm

I would also like some new sort of clanwar, but the chances to replace the 2x20 with homemaps is near impossible... but I think you will always have clans like VfN or balle to play odd modes.

Too old to remode* the tics.

* I mistyped remove.

cloN · Post by **cloN** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:37 pm

sajh wrote:2x20 ftw

Indeed.

Sabotage · Post by **Sabotage** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:52 pm

Lurre wrote:OR why not use a random map system to get the maps to be played..

That is a great idea, but will it happen? will the players exept it?
The answere on that is no i think..
Ofc you can get a match like that vs some clans..(what cara said)

Picer · Post by **Picer** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:11 pm

Caracol wrote:I would also like some new sort of clanwar, but the chances to replace the 2x20 with homemaps is near impossible... but I think you will always have clans like VfN or balle to play odd modes.

Too old to remode the tics.

Thats the reason i say that the only cw's i enjoy (even though we tend to loose) are the ones vs balle.

nufan · Post by **nufan** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:29 pm

random 2x20 some "map pool" that can be decided by admins

would be cool

Mutu · Post by **Mutu** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:08 am

I like the way it is now

Alien · Post by **Alien** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:29 am

Hmm... we have talked about this in aq2suomi forum. The main thing there was camping. Atleast I think it goes camping with mapwins or even with random maps (since there are slow maps).

I think the typical 2x 20 min for normal cw is the best, but there should be a ladder with a lot of clans and all could pick 1 map for pool, and then randomize 2 maps from there (with roundwins) to every ladder cw. I think the mappool would be like this (hehe, dont whine if there arent some maps, but you got the idea): urban2, riot, cloud, airport, mesto, wfall, tokyo, cliff2, rok, sludge1 (...)

Post by **Den** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:35 am

Alien wrote:The main thing there was camping. Atleast I think it goes camping with mapwins

Not more then with rounds? It all depends on the clans

skmz · Post by **skmz** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:51 am

I would suggest a mappool, both teams get random homemap for the cw, and have to play them.

After the first two maps, the winning team will be able to choose a map of their own choice for the third and last map that will end the cw.

In this way, people have to start to practice other maps than just their own homemap(s), and it will result into more maps playing around the servers, also probably make aq2 more alive.

fuct · Post by **fuct** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:14 am

Picer wrote: Thats the reason i say that the only cw's i enjoy (even though we tend to loose) are the ones vs balle.

cw's against u guys and balle are always the best (even if we gather 8 random players to play u) thats the way a cw should be imo. nobody really cares about winning and everyone has 40mins of laughter.

Picer · Post by **Picer** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:14 pm

fuct wrote:
Picer wrote: Thats the reason i say that the only cw's i enjoy (even though we tend to loose) are the ones vs balle.
cw's against u guys and balle are always the best (even if we gather 8 random players to play u) thats the way a cw should be imo. nobody really cares about winning and everyone has 40mins of laughter.

Theres someone who got the clue

McCree · Post by **McCree** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:11 pm

How about four maps, to win a map you'd have to have more rounds than the other team in 15mins OR to get 15 rounds first. RTL 2-3. That might spice up the game, specially if the maps were random. And what comes to random I still think they should be controlled so that no credits kinda map gets in the pool. Maps should be nice and good for TP, DM etc is different. This prevents MOST of the camping from the cw's.

How to get maps randomly? An irc-bot would be handy since not just anybody could temper with them and both sides could see the results without having just to count on it. Perhaps a nice extra feature in one of the existing bots or totally new bot(like we don't have enough of them for this scene:).

OFC for starters this could be just an option to play a cw, since I bet lot of clans prefer the old 2x20mins style. It always has to start from a scratch right?

PS. + both teams makes map order for two maps. Team can decide team/skin in a map which other team has made order for. Challenger could be the first one to decide map order and defender to choose team/skin in those maps or the other way around. Perhaps even a coin toss to see who starts? (could be arranged with an irc bot aswell).

PS. vol 2.0. If the game is eaven-steaven after those four maps, then extra rounds untill other team wins one. Or then the team with more rounds in overall would win?

Caracol · Post by **Caracol** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:45 pm

As Haui said, 60 mins with 3 pauses (between each map) is way too much, it could be done, but not as a standard (if that's what we're trying to establish). Although the random fact you are trying to advice is quite good, I like that kind of randomized selection. Gives something to look for and expect, and here comes the time part again, if the random doesn't go in your favor (a sucky map that is) you don't want to play it that long... it's difficult to find a good number without trying and testing.

Anyway, random maps is something I expect for ages already, more maps per cw makes it funnier, shorter TL less boring, and an endless list. But how to make everything, and also a system to avoid "tactical camp" and so on... dunno, maybe I'm to tired to figure out something.

My go would be 3x13mins (almost 40 mins as usual), random maps and rounds as score.

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